Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/01 14:48Hi again, does this version supports the GeForce 8600M GS with GDDR3 memory? I have attached my BIOS file that I get from dumping with NiBiTor, but it seems that new version of NiBiTor doesn't support it.
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/01 15:05Xspeed wrote: Hi again, does this version supports the GeForce 8600M GS with GDDR3 memory? I have attached my BIOS file that I get from dumping with NiBiTor, but it seems that new version of NiBiTor doesn't support it. Well we wanted it in there but all the BIOS's we received and that was only one so far was corrupt. And your BIOS is not complete as only 20kb. So your BIOS has been removed as it is faulty. Please try to use GPU-Z or nvFlash to backup the BIOS to see if it makes any difference. If that doesn't work it means the BIOS is actually embedded in the system BIOS and than none of the tools can extract it correctly as such.
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/01 16:31I tried via GPU-Z and it tell me BIOS reading not supported on this device. I'll try later with nvFlash. But are there any other ways to save this BIOS? Is it possible to the BIOS from a GeForce 8600M GS with DDR2 memory?
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/01 18:59emike09 wrote: Thanks for the feedback, but the little issue I am having is that the 1.04V that you are trying isn't possible so you are doing things that I believe you don't know how to do them and therefore do those incorrectly. Once again as we have mentioned many time before the voltage value you are putting does not control the voltage. That is only controlled by the VID level, and the voltage value is just a label to make it easy to use. So what you got is 1.00V is supported and 1.03V but not what you have tried. I'm not sure I understand, and I apologize if I seem a bit naieve to this, but the stock voltage for the GeForce 9800M GTX is 1.03V, not 1.00V. I've attached the original BIOS, what would you recommend the settings be set to then? Either way, like you said, after backup up the new flashed BIOS, the changes should be there, but its like I never overclocked any settings at all. You should have my laptop and information, as I was one of the first to submit a BIOS when the GeForce 9800M GTX was out.
This may be a driver issue. I've tried stock Clevo 176.09 drivers and ForceWare 178.13 modified drivers, both of which are showing the same clocks. I'm going to uninstalled all drivers and NVIDIA applications and see if that helps. Okay, I'm an idiot, I'll admit it. The NVIDIA system tools was setting my clocks down to the originals with my overclocked shaders, and that was casuing the downclocking with the new BIOS flash. So that is out of the way. I have set VID 00 to 1.06V and it seems to be stable this time around. I'll try 1.05V and even 1.10V and see what happens.
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/01 21:29emike09 wrote: I'm not sure I understand, and I apologize if I seem a bit naieve to this, but the stock voltage for the GeForce 9800M GTX is 1.03V, not 1.00V. I've attached the original BIOS, what would you recommend the settings be set to then? Either way, like you said, after backup up the new flashed BIOS, the changes should be there, but its like I never overclocked any settings at all. Well indeed you have about eight voltage options which are ranging from 0.70V to 1.03V with steps of 0.05V except at the last step 0.03V. So that means you can select 1.00V as well or lower and max is going to be 1.03V and nothing more. Cause to mention it again, this is not contolled by what value you put next to the VID level. The VID level alone is dictating the voltage and doesn't look at the value you put next to it, so you can put whatever fake voltage next to it. But the right voltage is the one that NVIDIA initially set in the BIOS and nothing else.
Okay, I'm an idiot, I'll admit it. The NVIDIA system tools was setting my clocks down to the originals with my overclocked shaders, and that was casuing the downclocking with the new BIOS flash. I have set VID 00 to 1.06V and it seems to be stable this time around. Excellent that is what I thought that it was something conflicting with an overclocking tool, which was the case. So that is confirming what I thought but didn't want to yet mention. Good that this is out of the way. Secondly that voltage change is not giving 1.06V, cause the VID 00 which is the highest possible voltage is only giving 1.03V, the VID level controls it not what value you put next to it, so VID 00 gives always 1.03V, even if you put a value of 2.00V next to it, it won't give that as that is just a label to make it easy for users to use.
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/05 12:22leshcat wrote: Thank you very much. We will be waiting for the new release impatiently. Though, I understand what are you talking about. And I will see what I can do. Just to repeat as well that we checked your BIOS and it didn't match our expectations so we can't really use it to code the needfull support. Can you redo the backup, but using the different tools and first check if they give the same backup file?
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/06 08:35Xspeed wrote: I tried via GPU-Z and it tell me BIOS reading not supported on this device. I'll try later with nvFlash. But are there any other ways to save this BIOS? Is it possible to the BIOS from a GeForce 8600M GS with DDR2 memory? Sorry, and what about me? Do you have any details or feedback related to the above from my end? Just wondering and also if there is something I can do.
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/06 11:41Well RivaTuner was the only software to dump BIOS, no other like GPU-Z v0.0.28, nvFlash or equal were not able not just take BIOS image, but not to able to take dump. What can I do in this case?
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/06 14:49Xspeed wrote: Sorry, and what about me? Do you have any details or feedback related to the above from my end? Just wondering and also if there is something I can do. Well the same actually applies to your case as with several other mobile graphics card, if you can't use NiBiTor, GPU-Z or nvFlash to dump the BIOS it is not because it is not suppored but most likely because the video BIOS is embedded in the system BIOS. And to get it you need to backup the system BIOS and then we might be able to extract it out. However to get it flashed you need to get the tweaked BIOS again in the system BIOS and we have no tools to do so, and it is a very risky thing to do...
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Re:NVIDIA BIOS Editor (NiBiTor) v4.6 software and got feedback? - 2008/10/06 14:54leshcat wrote: Well RivaTuner was the only software to dump BIOS, no other like GPU-Z v0.0.28, nvFlash or equal were not able not just take BIOS image, but not to able to take dump. What can I do in this case? That is why we don't mention RivaTuner actually, cause it is generally missing 2-3kb of the BIOS. Again as already mentioned, this cause the video BIOS is embedded in the system BIOS and video tools really read out the video BIOS, but not when it is embedded in the system BIOS, cause that is a totally other way to do it and will always fail as you should actually read our the full system BIOS, extract than the video BIOS from it. And putting the BIOS back is almost undoable.
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